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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2013 18:05:53 GMT -5
Still the point is not impressing people, its doing what you are comfortable to do. Its the reason why I flip-flop between CD-Promo combo to just promo all the time. I write what I'm comfortable writing with.
Besides, as I've told Terry and Ernie, I'm not in this game anymore for the wins and loses, I'm here to tell story. I think me, AJ and Bryce did that with Kidd's last angle here.
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Post by thelion on Feb 26, 2013 8:18:18 GMT -5
Normally, It wouldn't bother me that much, but it's part of the character. Plus, this character has been on a losing streak a mile long. You can't shrug off the shitty record he's had lately. You just can't. Even the Rock, with his "I'm a Man's man" routine, couldn't downplay what Corella's gone through lately if he were standing in the man's shoes.
The hardest part is, he has the skill set to tear just about anyone a new asshole in a wrestling ring. That's why I really wish that the base of the character itself went into the judging as well for these matches. I know that his move set and in-ring ability, would hedge out any deficiencies he might have on a mic.
The irony is that this is exactly the trouble he had early in his career. Thing is, early in his career, it was still "Sports entertainment" essentially and he was told to lay down and put over opponents who were better than him on the microphone. The difference was that he essentially had no real Charisma when he was 19 and 20. He needed serious help developing a "character" so that he could talk on the mic.
So what am I supposed to do when he's faced with a similar situation? Call it out just like that? All that would do is hurt the fed and none of us want that. So that's why I'm asking you guys, Terry specifically, what he wants out of me for Corella to start winning matches.
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Post by Chandler Scott on Feb 26, 2013 12:39:43 GMT -5
The hardest part is, he has the skill set to tear just about anyone a new asshole in a wrestling ring. That's why I really wish that the base of the character itself went into the judging as well for these matches.I think I've heard it all now. Just throwing my unwanted opinion out there, but it seems to me that you're taking this game waaaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously. A bit more sideline diagnosis from my end, but it seems to me that your frustrated at two things. One, being outroleplayed for however many times you've lost. Which I can understand. You want to know what you're doing wrong, how can you improve, whatever. But more importantly, it appears that you can't seen to fathom that the great Leon Corella could ever struggle or lose this many matches because of his history, because he has been wrestling for X amount of years, has traveled all across the globe for X promotions, and had held X amount of titles. Michael Tomkins became the first FGA Champ in what, the character's fourth-ever match? AJ's Fairchild character has been barely wrestling a year and has dominated. On the other end, Benny's Blaine character has been used for years. And he, too, dominated here. What I'm trying to say is that while history (and to an extent Character Development) is important in telling your story, sometimes you're just going to get outroleplayed. This is a roleplay fed. And regardless of if your character has been wrestling since the 70s or is as "green as goose shit", the deciding factor will always be on whom Terr and whoever else decide on who did the better roleplay or series of roleplays. But hey, what do I know? |
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Post by shaunsindelman on Feb 26, 2013 13:58:49 GMT -5
I will say this... if you want to try and garner the sympathy vote with the new story you're developing, go for it...but man oh man, i'd hate to be the heel you feud against having to attack a man who just lost his daughter.
Although that will SURELY make it clear who is the good and bad in the feud if the heel were to make outlandish statements about her death (ala when CM Punk's family was attacked verbally by Chris Jericho which is a throwback to when Raven and CM Punk feuded in RoH and Raven went as far as to force Punk to drink a "beer").
My point is this -- you do what you need to do for you but don't jump from story to story to story until 1 fits because THAT is NOT how you'll win. As a former fedhead I frown upon such behavior and would purposely punish those who did so because it was unrealistic and hard to book around.
*clink clink* there's my 2 cents.
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Post by Chris Q on Feb 26, 2013 14:57:22 GMT -5
I will say this... if you want to try and garner the sympathy vote with the new story you're developing, go for it.. .but man oh man, i'd hate to be the heel you feud against having to attack a man who just lost his daughter. Is it wrong that material just started pouring into my head after reading this? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 15:08:38 GMT -5
I will say this... if you want to try and garner the sympathy vote with the new story you're developing, go for it.. .but man oh man, i'd hate to be the heel you feud against having to attack a man who just lost his daughter. Is it wrong that material just started pouring into my head after reading this? Not at all, Chris. I had one liners and ridiculously offensive scene ideas pop into my head after reading it too.............then I remembered I run a face here.  |
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Post by thelion on Feb 26, 2013 15:56:07 GMT -5
Well the problem is that his ability wouldn't guarantee victory, but I feel he shouldn't be losing nearly as much as he is. One win in five matches since he came to FGA, not counting the losses in UWL.
I just feel like I'm clueless, can't write for shit, and nothing I do is good enough. That's how it makes me feel with that kind of a record.
Oh and before you think it, Jake, nothing against you. I wouldn't have had a problem with my character losing against yours at all because he's a ring vet just like Corella. And taken by itself, I wouldn't have a problem jobbing out to Chris Q for a match. It's just that everytime Leon turns around, he's losing. I want to know what I need to do to change that.
Got a story started, so there's a first step. Now I need to know what Terry looks for in an RP directly from the man himself.
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Post by shaunsindelman on Feb 26, 2013 16:02:00 GMT -5
Is it wrong that material just started pouring into my head after reading this? Not at all, Chris. I had one liners and ridiculously offensive scene ideas pop into my head after reading it too.............then I remembered I run a face here. Katie Vick anyone? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 17:17:50 GMT -5
"I.............I...............I screwed her brains out!" Is it bad that at the time I found that segment funny? >.> |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 17:43:53 GMT -5
Well the problem is that his ability wouldn't guarantee victory, but I feel he shouldn't be losing nearly as much as he is. One win in five matches since he came to FGA, not counting the losses in UWL. I just feel like I'm clueless, can't write for shit, and nothing I do is good enough. That's how it makes me feel with that kind of a record. Oh and before you think it, Jake, nothing against you. I wouldn't have had a problem with my character losing against yours at all because he's a ring vet just like Corella. And taken by itself, I wouldn't have a problem jobbing out to Chris Q for a match. It's just that everytime Leon turns around, he's losing. I want to know what I need to do to change that. Got a story started, so there's a first step. Now I need to know what Terry looks for in an RP directly from the man himself. Well first off, Terry isn't the only judge. I vote and we usually have a third judge as well in case we need it. Secondly, there's a rubric on the main site of what judges look for in the roleplays and how much points each thing is worth. Speaking for myself and Terr, we almost always stick to that rubric when judging a roleplay. Furthermore, that rubric has been there in Terr's previous feds (CFW and RMP) as well and I don't think there's ever been a problem with it. It's fairly basic. I mean, I've been fedding since 2004 and have staffed, written matches, booked or voted almost everywhere I've been and anywhere I've gone, the criteria for judging has pretty much been the same as ours. It's not about who does an off cam and who doesn't. It's about consistency, flow and the overall work itself. Some people choose to do more off camera scenes with stories in them and character development while some people stick to just on camera shooting. It's all up to them. Everybody has their own unique writing style. And ultimately, that's what this game is about. Writing. I appreciate the fact that Leon has a good backstory and a great history in the business but I can't comprehend how that should factor into the judging. At the end of the day, efedding is just a giant writing competition about wrestling. Whoever wins or loses (unless it's an angle fed) is decided by whatever the participants of a match write for their roleplays. It's that simple and that's the way it's always been, really. I know you're disappointed about some of your recent losses, man but it happens. Losing is a part of the game. But it's nothing bad, I don't think. It helps show you what works and what don't from a writing perspective and in some cases you can even still tell a hell of a story despite losing. I've gone on losing streaks before and I'm sure everyone else in this fed has at some point as well. It's just a part of the game. That's it. And at the end of the day this is a game. Some people are here because they love to write, some people are here because they love wrestling and some people are even here just to tell stories and work with others. But ultimately it's a game. It's just a hobby. Taking the game seriously is probably the worst thing anyone could do. |
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Post by Chris Q on Feb 26, 2013 20:00:37 GMT -5
"I.............I...............I screwed her brains out!" Is it bad that at the time I found that segment funny? >.> That shit is still funny... |
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Post by thelion on Feb 26, 2013 21:37:50 GMT -5
Thanks guys. I appreciate all the input. I guess at the end of the day, all I can do is keep swinging and hope I hit a winner at some point.
I know I'm a pain in the ass and a half, but one of these days, I hope to prove I've been worth the aggravation.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 1, 2013 1:08:41 GMT -5
I'm drunk, so yeah... As long as its interesting. I skimmed most of this topic, because the only relevant thing is quoted here. "As long as its [sic] interesting." eWrestling is less important than the dump I took last weekend on my way to Vermont. Your character? He doesn't exist. His family? No one gives a shit, because they aren't real. His backstory, his accomplishments, his titles? Shit, shit and even more fake shit. You want to know why I play this game and why I enjoy it? Writing. I like writing. I invented a character and I like other people testing the limits of that character. I won't change Drake to get a win. I don't give a shit if I no show (sorry about that, BTW) and lose a title shot because all that is to me is new motivation for my next RP. The second you start thinking about your or your character's "legacy" is the second you become a loser. Sound harsh? Think of it this way. You pretend to be a guy who pretends to be a fighter in a game that pretends to be a replication of something that pretends to be a sport. You're like 5 levels removed from reality. If someone wrote an RP tomorrow where their character took a shit on Drake's chest, I'd find a way to work with it. Why? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. I sympathize and empathize with the thought that you put a lot of effort into a character and invested a lot of time into Leon Corella, but the cynic in me says, frankly, "who gives a shit?" Leon has never, and will never exist. You jumped from face to heel because 1. you couldn't write as a face and 2. you weren't winning as much as you liked. That is - excuse my frankness- fucking stupid and ridiculous. I'm sorry, but who honestly gives a flying fuck about their "push" or their "spot" in a fabrication of a fabrication? You think I care that I lost the Pride title? Fuck no. K-Hard think I'd have beaten him if I RPed. So? I didn't. He did. Even if everyone and their motherfucking mother thought I was a better writer, I STILL wouldn't deserve to win because he wrote a better RP than I did and won. If I have a flying fuck about that... I'd be an asshole. Facts are: you aren't going to win every time and there will ALWAYS be someone better than you. A lot of people verbally blow me for what I write here, but I'll tell you this. I'd be embarrassed to present what I write here to a non-RP forum. And furthermore, I don't even consider myself in the Top 5 here. Ben is, hands down without argument, THE fucking best eWrestler that has ever existed. Period. I will debate ANYONE on that until my dying breath. In the same vein, no character is a better heel than Aaron Blaize. I would actually take my emotion for this into real life and punch someone who argued otherwise. I HATE Barry's character, and that's amazing. Flipside, Chris Bond is the ultimate redemption story of heel turned face. Rob, if you want an archetype to follow on how to make Leon lovable as a face after all the shit he did as a heel, bend John's ear. Take as much advice as he'll give you. Because for as good of a writer as everyone says I am, John has it on times a billion. But ultimately, all those compliments don't amount to shit. It's like saying "You're really good at Star Fox 64." No one takes that to the bank and screams "who wants to touch me?!" And while this is mostly towards Rob, it's also a message to everyone: Don't give a shit about your "character." Give a shit about your WRITING. No one cares if your character has 100 years of history and a metric fuck-ton of double-fake belts. Just shut the fuck up and write something that doesn't suck or bore me to tears. That's NOT hard. I write most of my RPs 30 minutes before deadline with a decent amount of alcohol in my system. I'm a real life Chris Q. And this isn't because I think I'm better than anyone, it's because this is a fucking game meant for fucking fun and if I don't write shit at all.. well who gives a fuck? Did I fuck over Terr's plans by no showing PHE? Fuck no. He just put the belt on K-Hard. And on we go. He could no show the next 3 events and Terr and I are clever enough to fucking make it work but beyond that, both of us realize that wins and losses don't fucking matter. The STORY matters. If you tell a good story - and fuck if it is through your promo or through your stupid backstory that I honestly hate and don't give 2 shits about unless your name is Ben - then you will do fine. You won't win every time and you fucking shouldn't. Pobody's nerfect and all that shit. Long story short: reach down between your legs, find your balls, and everyone stop bitching about a game that faker than Tara Reid's tits. Fuck all, - V |
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Post by thelion on Mar 1, 2013 7:57:52 GMT -5
Well, while I appreciate what you had to say Vinny, it was unnecessary. I've moved on from the topic and so has everyone else, at least from what I gather. Honestly, I don't give a shit anymore. I really don't. Thing is, I can write face. I can write heel. The problem is, I have no real direction to go because nobody has even suggested anything for me in private. I haven't gotten any word from Terry or anyone else about story material they want to do. Nothing. There's no angles going on for me, nothing to really bite on, and Quite frankly, the only reason I'm even sticking around is because I feel I have something to prove. There is no real reason for me to be here, taking this crap, but I'm choosing to. Though to be fair, I haven't given you guys much of a reason to care if I stay or go either. All I've been is a complainer and I don't like being that. Believe it or not, I used to not be this bad about shit.
I was doing really good, managing my temper and expectations but once that business with TSWF went down, and the issues I had in UWL, I find that my temper isn't as easy to manage as it once was.
Hell, I signed on to eWo with a new character and already I see feedback and input from people over there that I'm not seeing at all here, even when I give every single person a compliment, comment, or otherwise.
When I give everybody here feedback and receive none at all, I'm like, "Why do I fucking bother?" And you know what? Why should I?
I am doing the best I can and it isn't even good enough to comment on. Maybe I'm not good enough to even be here. Maybe I'm not good enough period, I don't know. I just know I haven't felt this miserable in a very long time.
I want to do right by Terry because he let me into this fed of his, but at the same time, what good am I if I can't stick to an idea because of my ADD? I get ideas constantly. My mind is always in motion. I barely get sleep because of it. Then I have these fucking mood swings from hell and one day I could be happier than a pig in shit and the next, I feel like the biggest turd in the land.
I say to myself "Like I need this shit." but then I turn around and go, "I could make this work... I just need something!"
So Vinny, I'm your biggest fan and I'll continue to be so. Just try to read all the posts and realize when a conversation is finished before jumping into it. It leads to alot of hard feelings to be a shark biting a leg that's already been removed with a hacksaw.
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Post by jay on Mar 1, 2013 8:08:12 GMT -5
#VinnyForPresident
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